Your opinions and suggestions about my Metal Settings?

[snouttrout]

I was wondering if someone could try my settings and give me their opinion. I'm using a DV mark standard 4x12 cab and a PRS SE 7 string. I used the modern recto setting on Channel 3 with the following eq and parametric EQ after the amp model. No cabinet simulation. I'm trying to get a killer metal sound, and would love to get your opinions or suggestions.

Rhythm sounds:

Gain: 9 o'clock
Bass: 11 o'clock
Mid: 2 o'clock
High: 10 o'clock
Presence 9 o'clock

Lead:

Gain: 11 o'clock
Bass: 11 o'clock
Mid: 5 o'clock (almost all the way up)
High: 10 o'clock
Presence  7 o'clock (almost all the way down)
( I also add a touch of digital delay with 690 ms at roughly 20% mix)

I use the same parametric EQ settings for the lead and rhythm tones. Am i cutting too much at 745 Hz?

Parametric Eq 1:
Gain: 3.4 dB
Eq1 Freq: 79 Hz
Eq1 Q: 0.8
Eq1 Mode: L Shelf
Eq1 Gain: -1.0 dB
Eq2 Freq: 242 Hz
Eq2 Q: 0.7
Eq2 Mode: Peaking

Parametric Eq 2:
Eq1 Gain: -7.8 (Seems like a big cut...too much? Sounds good right now, but I haven't tested with the band)
Eq1 Freq: 745 Hz
Eq Mode: Peaking
Eq 2 Gain: 2.3 dB
Eq2 Mode: H Shelf

[snouttrout]

Okay. I think it was a bad idea to use the parametric EQ. So I turned on my amp today with the EQ set as described above but WITHOUT the parametric EQ, and when I switched to my preset with the parametric EQ, it sounded muffled. I'm pretty sure I should leave the parametric EQ out. Mids mids mids! Will I never learn that I need them in the band mix?

I will also note that it is easy to get used to a certain EQ after you have been playing a while and not realize that something is missing! When you return to that preset on another day, you won't know what you were thinking.

[doomfred]

Well, I'm myself a big fan of what is called the "KISS" : Keep It Straight and Simple.

So for a start: find yourself the amp you like the grain best (for the moment it is the uberschall for me), with all knobs set at noon. Then tweak gain / eq / presence until you find what is the best sound you can have from it (and remember : the mid-scooped guitar sound for metal is a common mistake, the guitar sound is medium, the more you cut it, the less easy you are heard...)

Then if you are still unstaisfied, you can throw in something that will add what you think is missing to the sound. For instance, I found myself throwing a little param EQ with a boost in the mids at approx 800Hz, a slight one (1,5-2dB) which sounds so good and lively in a band context that i leave it always on.

And that's pretty it

[snouttrout]

I like the DV Triple 6 on channel 2 for rhythm and lead sounds, but I found I had to tighten it up with the tube screamer. By the way, I have never used a tubescreamer with no gain (or any gain for that matter), so that's quite new to me.

Right now, my favorite is the recto (modern) without a tubescreamer in the front for rhythm with the mids more than half way up. It sounds very tight. For leads I'm adding a tubescreamer with no gain, mids nearly all the way up, less presence, and a little more gain.

[doomfred]

You can reproduce the effect of a tube screamer with no gain, and without adding hiss, by putting a param EQ in front of the amplifier. The purpose is to cut the bass frequencies and put emphasis in the frequencies you wish to be amplified... a little bit trickier, but very worth it.

[snouttrout]

I actually tried the settings I decribed above without the parameteric eq last night, and it was really great. It's funny that you mentioned the hiss, but I actually turned the tubesreamer off, and there was still a hiss (but only for the recto model). I DO NOT get a hiss from the tubescreamer when I put it in front of the triple 6 model. if you look at my Lead settings above, you'll see the eq I'm using. The recto gain is not even half way up.


I have placed the noise supressor after the amp. I think I might have this order:

amp > delay > noise supressor

I wonder if I should try

amp > noise supressor > delay

What do you think? Would the order make a difference in the hissing? I will not be able to try it for a few days. But it's not the tubescreamer that's causing it, because I turned that off and it still hissed (it's not a terrible hiss or anything.)


For the record--for others who may read this--don't let anyone ever say this amp is not loud enough or that it does not cut the through the mix. Last night, I used the 4x12 DV mark standard cab in the mono-bridged mode, and this thing will rip your head off! It sits very well in the mix. It's incredible. I'm extremly impressed with the DV mark 4x12 cab. I sold my mesa boogie 4x12 (120 lbs), and I don't regret it at all. I highly encourage mulitamp users to get the 4x12 DV cab.

[Ainsley]

Feb 6, 2015 15:51:31 GMT snouttrout said:

For the record--for others who may read this--don't let anyone ever say this amp is not loud enough or that it does not cut the through the mix. Last night, I used the 4x12 DV mark standard cab in the mono-bridged mode, and this thing will rip your head off! It sits very well in the mix. It's incredible. I'm extremly impressed with the DV mark 4x12 cab. I sold my mesa boogie 4x12 (120 lbs), and I don't regret it at all. I highly encourage mulitamp users to get the 4x12 DV cab.

Mine has been plenty loud with a band with the small 1x12's, running my master volume about 12 o'clock .... still plenty to turn up even more lol.

[udertyrat]

Hey,

I'm glad to see that you still have your MULTIAMP. I would encourage you to keep it even if you like your Deluxe Reverb. I have Twin Reverbs, a boogie, and more.

I don't know a lot about eq (maybe someone can post some tips) but I think I got lucky. If you look at the pix for my name (there's a new pix in there - sorry!), it has some eq settings that I found to really sound good. Give them a try and let me know what you think.

[udertyrat]

I forgot to add that I use the Bogner Extacy model.

[shapfuh]

Feb 5, 2015 9:58:33 GMT doomfred said:

Well, I'm myself a big fan of what is called the "KISS" : Keep It Straight and Simple.

So for a start: find yourself the amp you like the grain best (for the moment it is the uberschall for me), with all knobs set at noon. Then tweak gain / eq / presence until you find what is the best sound you can have from it (and remember : the mid-scooped guitar sound for metal is a common mistake, the guitar sound is medium, the more you cut it, the less easy you are heard...)

Then if you are still unstaisfied, you can throw in something that will add what you think is missing to the sound. For instance, I found myself throwing a little param EQ with a boost in the mids at approx 800Hz, a slight one (1,5-2dB) which sounds so good and lively in a band context that i leave it always on.

And that's pretty it

For my rehearsal sound I stopped at step 1 ^^. heavy 51 (ch 3), gain almost max, 10/11' o' clock bass and mids, 2 o' clock treb and presence, noisegate and that's it. On my engl 4*12 I have a killer modern metal sounds that cuts very well in the mix and is very versatile.

That's why I like about the MULTIAMP, you can get very good sounds almost right out of the box, at least when playing through a cab. With cabsims it takes a bit more tweaking.

[snouttrout]

I moved the noise suppressor such that it is before the amp model. That killed the mild hiss. I'm using a tubescreamer in front of my recto for lead sounds. I'm not sure if the noise suppressor should come before or after the tubescreamer. What do you guys do?

I currently use

Noise suppressor > tube screamer> recto> delay

I now put the mids at maximum for my lead sounds. The tubescreamer isn't completely necessary but it tightens things up a bit. I love it.